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  • #14581
    ttessens
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    I was curious as to what you think our Pit is mixed with. I know he isn’t a pure bred, and my family and I were under the impression that he is a Pit/Lab mix, but after talking to the man that we got him from he said he believed that his mother was also a mixed pit… possibly boxer? When I brought him to the vet, they also mentioned he looked as though he has boxer in him. What do you think?

    He is a picture of Butch:

    http://i239.photobucket.com/albums/ff319/imaginemysuprise/164062_1777002266026_1268449681_2030947_7904654_n-1.jpg

    Thanks everyone, I am mostly just curious. =]

    #16501
    go ask alice
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    I think your on the right track, she definatly has the sort of boxer nose but also looks very much like a pit bull, if your really into knowing what breed he is mixed with, try DNA testing, i’ve wanted to do that with my older dog for awhile now but just never got around to it. Best of luck, hes very handsome.

    #16507
    ttessens
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    We have actually just returned from the vet. We started his puppy shots today. As it turns out Butch is actually 5 1/2 months, instead of 4 months. Our vet believes he is definitely pit, he thinks at least 90%, and he doesn’t believe he has any boxer in him. However, the vet my mother works for thought he had boxer in him because of his snout.I know his mother was a pit, it was an accidental breeding, they were unsure of the breed of the other dog. Butch’s, vet did tell me about genetic testing, and said if I wanted to know for sure we could always do that. But we love Butch just the same, and to be honest it doesn’t matter much to me. He’s my baby, and he’s a wonderful dog either way. Butch, also passed his temperament test with flying colors. =] (Just as I knew he would.)

    I am new to pit ownership, however, I do adore him, and I wouldn’t trade him for the world. The bond I share with him is absolutely beautiful, and he’s the best dog we’ve ever had. As a family, we have always owned Shepherds.

    I want to do right by him, and show others that the Pit Bull stigma, is just that a stigma. It’s the irresponsible owners that give this wonderful dogs a bad name. I am enrolling him in puppy classes within the months time, and I’m currently looking at agility. Until then I am going to continue to socialize him at home, with people and our other family pets. I’ll continue to take him on car rides, and work on his obedience. He’s already learned the basics.

    Now that I’ve rambled, lol thank you very much!

    #16590
    davebetc
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    the most important think is that you love your Pitbull

    #16591
    spcvanessen
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         Congrads on your new pit. I am also a new pit owner of a 6 month female name bella who is 3/4 pit and one quarter boxer. I have found that they are the best dogs ever. Bella and I just enrolled in puppy tranning and we start tommarrow. Just today she went in her create and layed in there i have never been so happy. The pitbull breed are dogs for people with a big heart and lots of love and you have a best friend forever. Do you just ask the vet for temperument test or how does that work I would love to get Bella tested so I can figure out her weak points. I  take her for walks in high people traffic areas. That is are downtown i live in small town in northern Michigan and she does not bother anyone. She loves to show her love. Are three year old daughter wants bella to be an airdock that she seen this summer. Enjoy and always so love.

    #16592
    ttessens
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    Thank you, and congrats on yours as well. =] Butch, really is a wonderful family addition, and I couldn’t be more pleased. He’s the best companion and my son’s best friend. I doubt I will ever own any other breed. I’m absolutely smitten with him. As for his temperment test, the vet had brought it to my attention. I felt it was a good idea, because I too also wanted to know the areas we needed to work on. I’m also in a smaller town in Michigan. =] Do you mind me asking where abouts your located? I’m located in Oakland County. I haven’t had him out for walks yet, but that’s because we’re just about to finish up his shots, and I don’t want him to get sick. But he does go for car rides, I introduce him to new people in the home, and he’s been getting socialization with our other family pets, as well as a friend of mines Pit Bull puppy. He’s done great. =] He really is a special boy.

    I still would love to know what Butch is mixed with, and lately I have been leaning towards a Stafford Bull Terrier. I do plan on getting the genetic testing done on him, and for no other reason than my own curiousity. =]

    #16623
    KaylasMom
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    Butch is a cutie!  Who cares what he is mixed iwth, but I understand your wanting to know.  I would like to know what my dog is mixed with also.  If he is a mixed breed, you never know…he may not have any pit in him at all, though he may look like it!  But, he probably does.  True APBTs have a standard of what they look like, but not mixed breeds.  I don’t see any boxer in him. 

    One thing to keep in mind about the DNA tests….you will more than likely not get the answers that you are looking for.  There are many DNA tests available out on the market, and several really reputable ones that can be done through your vet.  But…the genetic databases for most of the DNA testing companies is incomplete.  For example, one company only lists 46 breeds of dogs!  That is way less than half the number of total breeds of dogs in the world!  Another database for another company has 120+ breeds listed.  Here is the issue…for those of us who want to know if our dog has pit bull in them, we will never know.  None of the databases contain American Pit Bull Terrier in them.  There is American Staffordshire Terrier, and a few have Staffordshire Bull Terrier, but no one has American Pit Bull Terrier.  So, in my opinion (for what it is worth), I wouldn’t bother.  Who cares!  He is a cutie and leave it at that.  Because of the lack of genetic information on APBTs, that is why I haven’t bothered.  We rarely do DNA tests at our vet clinic on mixed breeds for those reasons that I mentioned.  But, it is up to you!  You could still find out what else your dog has in it.  You would be surprised what shows up! 

    One other thing about the DNA tests…if you were to do 1 from each testing company, you would get all different results.  They rarely ever match.  That just goes to show how canine DNA databases are not too accurate.  It is hard to do when really all breeds of dogs are mixed breeds.  Purebreds were designed by breeding different breeds.  Personally, I think you should save your money and buy Butch some toys or yummy treats instead.

    I just want to snuggle that face of his!  🙂

    #16642
    ttessens
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    Thank you for all the useful information Kaylasmom! =] According to the man we recieved him from, he swears he is Pit, and the mother was a lab. The man we recieved him from got him from an accidental breeding. So, I’m not convinced entirely that the male dog was lab, considering it was an accidently breeding. Which that alone makes me sad, and my family and I were glad to take Butch in and give him a very happy home. But the woman had said that she seen the male, and it was blackish/brown in color. But to me, you cannot tell the male breed from color alone. That’s silly. From what I am aware, (there isn’t much background on my baby) the woman said her female was pit. However, again I’m still not convinced, his legs are very short, and straight. He’s not a very big guy in the slightest. He’s just now starting to reach 35 lbs. He is built more like a Staffie Bull Terrier, although his body is slightly longer. But again, he’s a mixed pup. Which could very be were the square like head shape is coming from. I’ve read that is a common characteristic in Staffie Bull Terriers, and his head is rather wrinkly too. =] I know that is still part of the ‘pit’ classification and the two are a commonly confused breed. So it is very possible that the woman was misqued. If I had to make a guess, my money would be on the Staffie Bull Terrier side. That shot would be from all of the reading I’ve done.

    I don’t have to know, but like I said I’m just rather curious. But if it’s a waste of money, that’d be something I’d gladly pass up. =] He’s my baby reguardless, and I still couldn’t be happier. He’s an amazing dog, and out of all of the dogs I’ve had, I’ve never had one even close to him. I wouldn’t trade him for the world. Thank you so much again hun!

    #16643
    KaylasMom
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    Not a problem!  Glad that I could give a bit of insight.  Don’t let me disuade you from getting a DNA test done if that is what you want to do.  They just aren’t all that accurate, but if you do a couple of them, you could see which breed is most common between the tests!  I am still tempted to have a few done on my girl, but at the same time, it just seems useless when the databases aren’t all that accurate at this time. 

    Butch does look a bit like a Staffie, but his head isn’t as round as many of the Staffies that I have seen.  Then again, if he is a mix, then all the Staffie characteristics won’t be there 100%.  His size does sound like a Staffie though! 

    He could also be what we call a “pocket pittie”.  There are some pits out there just do not seem to get much bigger than 40 pounds.  They are too adorable!  Of course with the mass breeding of pits and their cousins, it is pretty much an unknown what breeds are actually in our pups.  Not to mention the inbreeding that pits go through which causes all kinds of issues.

    As long as you love Butch and he loves you back…all is good!  🙂

     

    #16797

    Can’t see any reason for a DNA test if you love a dog that dog will love you.If u think a DNA test will help u with training again u r wrong,your only concern should be the latent aggression said may have re:other dogs, which unfortunately all owners of  PIT TYPE DOGS should be aware ,,e.g a terrier will like 2 enter setts/burrows,a hound will like 2 chaseand a guardian dog will guard if they didnt the genetics world would not exist

     

    #16798

    my bad the genetics world does exist whithout my above comment its known as breeding for looks aka as the kennel club

     

    #16799

    my bad the genetics world does exist whithout my above comment its known as breeding for looks aka as the kennel club

     

    #16801
    ttessens
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    I was simply curious about the DNA testing, whereas I already feel I have recieved some very helpful advice. I adore Butch, and he’s a very loved and enjoyed member of my family. As for needing a DNA test for training methods, I do not need a DNA for such reasons. I am placing my dog in training classes because that is important for ANY dog. That has nothing to do with his breed. I have been raised around the ‘dog world.’ IE, I am by no means an inexperienced dog owner. My family and I have owned, raised, and breed German Shepherds my entire life. This happens to be another breed of dog that people also tend to commonly fear.

    Also, I am not inexperienced when it comes to the proper training of animals. My grandmother taught obedience classes my entire life, which I was able to participate in. I’ve also trained all of my dogs, many of which were Therapy dogs.Thus me stressing that training classes are good for any breed of dog. It’s important to remember that mannerisms are imperative for any breed, as well as the proper socialization. However, as a responsible Pit Bull owner, I prefer to represent the breed in a positive way. I understand the responsiblity in representing the breed properly. Pit Bulls have a nasty reputation, and it isn’t fair. It isn’t the dog’s fault, it’s the irresponsible owners who either mistreat and abuse their animals or are unaware of the specifics of the breed. It is up to us, the responsible owners to show the beauty and love in the breed.

    Yes, any ‘Pit Bull type’ dog has a much higher prey drive. However, there are also a number of other breeds that do as well. This is not just limited to Pit Bulls. So that is silly to only point out certain breeds, any dog reguardless of its breed has the possiblity to become dog aggressive, and on sad occasions present people aggression. As you stated each breed has specific bred in traits. Any responsible owner is well aware of the negative and positive traits that their animals possess.

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